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b52

"Utterly and completely .. psychotic!!!!"

ROTFLMAO!

Friend of USA

...I see neither FOUSA nor IC can tell the difference between something that *has* happened, and something the Israelis say *was intended to* happen...

And how can YOU tell if the Israelis are lying?

If you have photos of the non-existent tunnel, I would like to see them.

bwahahahaha...

b52

He's barking. Plus, he can't read English. Plus, he doesn't understand 1) tenses or 2) what a ceasefire is. Poor FoUSA ...

b52

Oh, I forgot:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

(it's de rigeur on BB)

Friend of USA

Oh I know what a ceasefire is, but your tunnel vision is keeping you from seeing the whole picture.

So how about those photos of the non-existant tunnel?

kb

Christmas Present from kb to ALL!(especially all droolers)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5854018606313608966

The Exorcist

"Christmas Present from kb to ALL!(especially all droolers)"

Fuck that! I want the same blowjob I got last year.

kb

Chomsky in 2006: Hamas Policies ‘Closer to the International Consensus on a Political Peaceful Settlement than those of Antagonists’

http://littlealexinwonderland.wordpress.com/2008/12/28/chomsky-in-2006-hamas-policies-closer-to-the-international-consensus-on-a-political-peaceful-settlement-than-those-of-antagonists/

kb

Noam Chomsky, Terrorists Wanted the World Over
http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/174899/noam_chomsky_terrorists_wanted_the_world_over

kb

Noam Chomsky: U.S.-Backed Israeli Policies Pursuing “End of Palestine”; Hezbollah Capture of Israeli Soldiers “Very Irresponsible Act” That Could Lead To “Extreme Disaster”

http://www.democracynow.org/2006/7/14/noam_chomsky_u_s_backed_israeli

kb

Noam Chomsky on Israel and the "Samson complex:" Samson killed more philistines through his suicide....
http://www.washingtonpeacecenter.net/civic/node/978

kb

"Christmas Present from kb to ALL!(especially all droolers)"

"Fuck that! I want the same blowjob I got last year."

Well, first of all, one can't have the SAME blowjob as one got last year by definition. It would be a different blowjob. Secondly, as soon as your mother gets paroled I'll be happy to lend her a wheelbarrow to to push her well worn and stretched lips in on her way to service your dumb ass. Okay?


Posted by: The Exorcist | December 29, 2008 at 05:37 PM

jack

Tuesday, December 30, 2008

Britain rejected secret IRA peace talks offer, 1978 archives reveal

THE PROVISIONAL IRA sent a message to the British government in 1978 that it was willing to enter talks on ending its campaign, according to a sensitive document released at the UK National Archives in London.

Files from the office of British prime minister James Callaghan describe an IRA message, "to the effect that it was time to talk and end the present violence".

The message is referred to in a letter to Northern Ireland secretary Roy Mason from Sir Brian Cubbon, permanent under-secretary at the Northern Ireland Office, who was a survivor of the IRA bomb attack in which British ambassador to Ireland Christopher Ewart-Biggs was killed on July 21st, 1976.

The letter, dated March 8th, 1978, explains how Martin Ennals, a leading figure in Amnesty International, had been contacted by an intermediary from the World Council of Churches.

He conveyed the information through his brother David who was then British secretary of state for social services and it was in turn passed on to British home secretary Merlyn Rees.

Cubbon believed that it was a "credible channel of approach by PIRA" and noted that Rev William Arlow, who had been instrumental in the Feakle talks which led to the truce of 1975, had more recently been in contact with the World Council of Churches about the condition of prisoners in the Maze Prison, Long Kesh. Cubbon believed that it was "credible that PIRA should start a fishing expedition of this sort now".

It was true that some republicans increasingly "see the campaign as a long haul". At the same time, "others may wish to use the present level of violence to demonstrate that PIRA are a force to be reckoned with and therefore in a strong bargaining position".

Cubbon insisted it was "essential that we should not say or do anything in reply that gives any hint that we have considered their message or are taking it seriously".

"What they might be looking for is some hint of a possible dialogue," he stated, recommending "that no further communication at all is made to Martin Ennals". Callaghan agreed that Ennals should be told "to forget it". There should be a "positive rejection of any offer" and "no inclination whatsoever that we were interested in this". Another document, released through the National Archives in Dublin, also indicates a willingness on the part of the Provisionals to engage in talks.

A secret intelligence assessment supplied to the government by the Defence Forces, dated February 15th, 1977, states that, "It is now known that feelers were sent out at Christmas by the top PIRA leadership to interest the British authorities in another long ceasefire."

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2008/1230/1230581469072.html?digest=1

kb

For disgusting display of U.S. propaganda one should see CNN International's "Breaking News" reports from today. The entire sequence of events did a couple of things so blatantly offensive it would have made any moral person outraged at least. The entire time talking the "reporter" ONLY mentioned either the total number killed and how horrible this was, which it is, but prefaced it with ONLY mention of two Israeli who were killed. Any typical drooler would have gotten the impression that most victims were probably Israeli, even though on some level even they know this is, always, not the case. Rather than having an objective, real world, statistic, say, Israel 2 Palestinians 298 or something, they preferred, as usual, to focus on pretty much anything besides the numbers. They allowed ONLY an Israeli man respond to the report, etc...And, of course, they ONLY referred to ANYTHING Israel had done as "in response to" or "defensive". For you droolers who aren't aware of how propaganda works, here are two of the more obvious and consistant patterns. These work like clockwork and have for years. It's actually amazing that it still worls at all given all of the data showing how blatant it is. BUt there is another tactic and pattern which kicks in here all the time as well. Claim the opposite. Just say "the others" are the aggressors, that "they have all the weapons and power", that "they are starting it", etc....Then, when the waters have been somewhat muddied, it's much easier for the drool squad to have their opinions tipped in the appropriate direction, regardless if all actual evidence points the other way. And we know for a fact just how open they are to even looking at evidence contrary to their preferred fairy tale. I've been demonstrating exactly this for the past three years here. They aren't. Period.

jack

Didn't do the Brits any good in the end. They still had to talk -- after 20 more years of violence.

jack

"Then, when the waters have been somewhat muddied, it's much easier for the drool squad to have their opinions tipped in the appropriate direction" (kb)

Precisely - and it's going on in many English language outlets. [Interesting that the Israelis chose Nov 5 to break the ceasefire and enter Gaza, when the world and his mother were watching the US election results.]

2.4

hm.

2.4

It is NOT irrelevant as to WHO broke the cease fire, leftardbrain. If Israel had broken it, all hell would break loose. You stinking lefties would be in a snit of self righteous indignation and calling for something to happen, whereas Hamas breaks it, it is for humanitarian reasons.

Interesting, as Gaza could totally so NOT depend on Israel or sneaking through tunnels and whatnot.
They could build their OWN infrastructure AND NATION with the money they are getting from terror groups for the suicide bombers by concentrating on meeting the needs of their people instead of stooping to the lowest denominator and in the words of the bastard Lawrence, remaining a 'little people.' Doing that would be the BEST revenge on Israel and the US. Oh, but wait, aren't your NGOs supposed to be in there doing that sort of humanitarian schtick, or are you just giving away the boxes to Hamas leaders so they can in turn control the people who are in need?

You make me sick.

UN Doctor

None. Not one. And there was very little rocket or mortar fire out of Gaza until Israel broke the ceasefire in early November.--David Morrison

Okay, answer me this, and I am NOT taking this quote out of context, as the full article is in the Irish times and does say that no one was killed in Israel in the six months of the ceasefire...but 'very little' is what? Explain how you can have a cease fire agreement unless both sides agree to a TOTAL cessation of using firepower. It would seem that regardless of the lack of Israeli deaths from the 'very little rocket or mortar fire' that Gaza/Hamas BROKE the cease fire before Israel did in November.

What did Hamas intend to accomplish with 'very little rocket or mortar fire' into Israel? Even David Morrison admits that rocket and mortar fire was directed at Israel. Amount; irrelevant. Cease fire broken? Relevant.

Now, please explain this to me. Don't be rude, crude or insulting. I have not been here for a LONG time and am just catching up reading the last two-three pages of this thread.

Here is the URL to the article, which I will finish reading. I will check back for a response.

UN Doctor

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2008/1230/1230581467173.html

Sorry. I hit post before I put in the URL.

The Exorcist

"Well, first of all, one can't have the SAME blowjob as one got last year by definition. It would be a different blowjob."---KKKidBlowme

Well, you would certainly know the finer nuances of sucking cock, homo. But let's not split any more of my pubic hairs with your vibrating uvula while we're still busy killing Hamas freedom fighters.

Intellectual Conservative

I can sum up why Israel is beating the hell out of Hamas in two words:

"Never Again"

And they're entirely justified in doing so. Hopefully Bibi Netanyahu will become their next Prime Minister. The man has some stones. I respect the hell out of him.

And, two words for the so called End of Palestine nonsense .. if they can't get it through their heads they are NOT going to destroy Israel .. then the old saying from the streets applies "If you don't start nothing there won't BE nothing".

And it doesn't matter if ONLY two Israelis were killed. Israel is, IMHO, acting with complete moral authority to protect themselves by punishing Hamas. What, are they supposed to wait for Der Schutzstaffel Hamas to go walking through Tel Aviv, machine gunning kids before they have the right to do more than lodge a stern UN protest?

Tell you what, lefties, I will be happy to take one lefty on here and send them a one way ticket to Israel. I say one way because the stipulation is this: You have to, when you land, go to ground zero where all those rockets are landing, and stand there, and tell the locals that "ISRAEL STARTED IT !!". Assuming the rockets or the associated shrapnel doesn't kill you, some family member of someone those rockets killed probably would. So, a round trip ticket would be pointless.

Do any of you have the courage to go there and do that?

I thought not. I spit on you and your lack of courage. And there's not a smirk coming this time. You don't deserve it.

zooommer

100% correct. We've been yelling at that clown FoUSA about that very thing for years. I see b52 provided you with one. That's our normal practise.

Posted by: >>>

My bad. I was so busy I did not notice the url at the bottom.

jack

"Explain how you can have a cease fire agreement unless both sides agree to a TOTAL cessation of using firepower." (UN doctor)

That's NOT all that was agreed. You read the article. Israel was not keeping its side of the bargain.

Quote:

"[Israel] failed to live up to its obligations under it to lift its economic embargo.

"Even humanitarian supplies continued to be restricted during the ceasefire. As John Ging, the Irish head of UNRWA (United Nations Relief and Works Agency) in Gaza, told The Electronic Intifada on November 25th: "There was five months of a ceasefire in the last couple of months, where the people of Gaza did not benefit; they did not have any restoration of a dignified existence. In fact at the UN, our supplies were also restricted during the period of the ceasefire, to the point where we were left in a very vulnerable and precarious position and with a few days of closure (of the international crossings) we ran out of food."

"Even though there was a ceasefire, the people of Gaza continued to be collectively punished contrary to international humanitarian law, in particular, to Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention."

Israel then deliberately "broke the ceasefire by killing six Palestinians in Gaza on the night of November 4th, while the world was watching the election of Barack Obama."
Hamas had killed no one.

jack

"Explain how you can have a cease fire agreement unless both sides agree to a TOTAL cessation of using firepower." (UN doctor)

That's NOT all that was agreed. You read the article. Israel was not keeping its side of the bargain.

Quote:

"[Israel] failed to live up to its obligations under it to lift its economic embargo.

"Even humanitarian supplies continued to be restricted during the ceasefire. As John Ging, the Irish head of UNRWA (United Nations Relief and Works Agency) in Gaza, told The Electronic Intifada on November 25th: "There was five months of a ceasefire in the last couple of months, where the people of Gaza did not benefit; they did not have any restoration of a dignified existence. In fact at the UN, our supplies were also restricted during the period of the ceasefire, to the point where we were left in a very vulnerable and precarious position and with a few days of closure (of the international crossings) we ran out of food."

"Even though there was a ceasefire, the people of Gaza continued to be collectively punished contrary to international humanitarian law, in particular, to Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention."

Israel then deliberately "broke the ceasefire by killing six Palestinians in Gaza on the night of November 4th, while the world was watching the election of Barack Obama."
Hamas had killed no one.

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