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B in Tennessee

Well said JannyMaeTsk.

From a long time observer.

irish

"Excuse me, irish, but did you not read Howie's post?"

What has "Howie" got to do with this? I'm not "Howie", and have nothing to do with him.
And what I write here has nothing to do with him. So could you forget this "Howie" obsession?

"If those Islamic Extremists taking over Ireland is one step closer to having them take over the U.S."

No Islamic Extremists are taking over Ireland. What are you, paranoid?? And they're not taking over the US either. What world are you living in?

"If you truly can't see the utter outrageousness of your Bush/America = Hitler characterization"

Where was that, precisely? Would you like to quote me where I likened Bush to Hitler?

"Except that when a disaster occurs, like the recent Tsunami, whatever aid we provide is not deemed to be enough. If military troops are needed to go in and make order out of chaos in those situations, guess who foots the bill and provides the soldiers?"

Oh yeah. Right. You give sums that look big, but when compared as a percentage of GNI, with others, it's not a whole lot to be yelling about.

And you had troops stationed in Diego Garcia (like you have in 134 other places) so they were handy. Plus: Condi Rice has already admitted that it suited the US for geopolitical reasons to get into that area. You think we're all fools? You think we don't know the agenda?

Go take a course in US foreign policy. You need to READ more, instead of making inane anti-Muslim remarks here. Find out what your country is doing. It would be better use of your time. Laughing at Muslims will get you nowhere.
As you have no doubt discovered, and will continue to discover, in Iraq.

irish

"I come to this site to laugh"

No, you come here to make stupid remarks that you think others will find funny.

"not shake my head in disgust at the sheer ignorance and stupidity of brainwashed foreigners"

That's precisely what I'M doing here, dear!

Friend of USA

That's the Janny I like ! FEISTY and LOGICAL !

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Irish you said; " Or are you satisfied to sit back and say, "we're not as bad as Hitler, so that's ok, that's fine."

No Irish, we are satisfied, we're ok, we're fine to be NOT AS BAD AS YOU!

Man you are so blinded by your hate! It's UGLY...

Before telling us we are ignorant, maybe you should read about the Geneva convention;
Terrorists are not protected.

And you can thank the USA for stopping Hitler before he could turn Ireland into a large Nazi camp.

OK Irish, I'll make a deal with you; if the USA should give more to poor countries because it has an economy as big as the next five or ten countries - combined, then the USA's vote at the United Nations should be worth five or ten countries.

Fair enough ?

JannyMaeTSK

Thanks for the kudos FofUSA and BinTennessee, but this fool doesn't get it, and obviously never will.

Funny, how judgmental you are, irish! It must be great to think you know everything about a country and its people. Sad to say, you haven't a clue about us, or our country!

Apparently, you are also a mind reader, that YOU can tell ME why I come to this site? Talk about arrogant and condescending BULLS*&T!

I was quite amused, also, by your following characterization of us:

"All you care about on a daily basis (apart from your snickering here) is the price of 'gas'". Gee, Miss Cleo could use you! Don't know who she is? GOOGLE IT!

Funny how some people manage to be deliberately obtuse when it suits them. I did not say that Islamic extremists were taking over Ireland, I was responding to your idiotic statement: "If women "go under the veil" either in Iran or Ireland it's none of your goddamn business."

I suggested that you read Howie's post, but rather than actually respond to that, you again diverted my question about passive survival and are now accusing me of being paranoid?

Someone, I believe, "Friend of USA," said, "Particularly unbelievable but patently true was the fact that a million Jewish children were being flung into furnaces and burned to death"

You responded:
"So what? Are you trying to tell me that the so-called "greatest democracy on earth" is not AS BAD as this either? I thought you were leading the way somewhere? I wonder where that could be. To a torture chamber in Egypt, perhaps?"

Based on what you said about your hatred for our president and his administration, this sure sounds like a Bush = Hitler comparison to me! I find it very hard to believe that that isn't what you were trying to imply. Again, I believe you are being deliberately obtuse!

I suggest you get off your high horse and stop criticizing other people without cause. How dare you be so arrogant as to tell someone else what they can laugh at! If you don't like us and/or this site, you know what you can do. Good bye and good riddance!

Friend of USA

This just in.
Not about Ireland but close enough and european anyway;

"The Charlie checkpoint monument in Berlin, which consists of over 1,000 crosses adorned with the names of those murdered attempting to escape Communist East Germany for freedom, will be bulldozed on fourth of July"

France and Denmark losing control of their muslim population and now this...

Europe is going down, slowly, but surely...

In about fifteen years the USA will have to go save Europe's ass again...

irish

Best you can do?
LMFAO
Goodbye, blind and racist followers of the illiterate Shrub. You deserve each other.

Che Guevarito

If women "go under the veil" either in Iran or Ireland it's none of your goddamn business. Let them elect their own leaders in their own democracies, and keep your bloody meddling at home! All you care about on a daily basis (apart from your snickering here) is the price of "gas". Which, by they way, in May was 1/3rd of what we pay here. So you don't have it so bad after all!

Well, if we Americans want to elect shrubs, bitch about oil prices, and kill people who drive airplanes into our buildings, it's none of your goddamn business. Keep your meddling to the little corner of the world you care about, and leave the work of keeping some semblance of peace to those who have always shouldered that responsibility.

irish

"Well, if we Americans want to elect shrubs, bitch about oil prices, and kill people who drive airplanes into our buildings"

Oh sure. Like 100,000 Iraqis drove those planes. Whoop-dee-doo! Go gettem cowboy!

"Keep your meddling to the little corner of the world you care about"

Oh I do, I do. I don't want your fukn USAF landing at our CIVIL AIRPORT at Shannon, but they did and do. Plus your covert CIA rendition planes, taking "suspects" for "interrogation" to places where torture is a normal everyday occurance. Not that you'd give a shit about that.

"leave the work of keeping some semblance of peace to those who have always shouldered that responsibility"

Peace?? Have you heard about Iraq lately?

Idiots.

Che Guevarito

Oh sure. Like 100,000 Iraqis drove those planes. Whoop-dee-doo! Go gettem cowboy!

Driving planes is an all-encompassing term for terrorism. If people want to blow themselves up and kill civilians, I'd rather they do it to their bretheren than to mine. Iraq refused to abide by the terms of its own surrender from the 1991 war. Bush took advantage of his momentum from the Afganistan war to enforce those terms. When Saddam refused, he was removed. Now there are a bunch of would-be terrorists who choose to act out in Iraq instead of here. Doesn't sound like too bad a strategy to me.

Oh I do, I do. I don't want your fukn USAF landing at our CIVIL AIRPORT at Shannon, but they did and do.

Don't get your panties in a knot about that. As long as you keep your terrorists under control, you have nothing to fear from us.

[T]o places where torture is a normal everyday occurance. Not that you'd give a shit about that.

I ate rice pilaf once. It wasn't my thing, but I'm macho enough to handle it. Granted, the soldiers at Guantanamo don't have the humanitarian track record of Sinn Fein, but they don't kill indicriminantly either.

Peace?? Have you heard about Iraq lately?

I don't think Americans are suicide bombing marketplaces, pipelines, trains, hospitals, etc. (Don't take offense to that statement. I'm talking about Iraq, not London.) And have you seen how peaceful New York is?


irish

So-called "clever" comments about the IRA are irrelevant.
And they don't rattle me in the slightest. :)

Have fun, kiddies-widdies.

Che Guevarito

Who called them clever? They are only irrelevant if no parallels can be drawn between the IRA and other groups.

You keep promising to leave, but you never do. Should you really be meddling in American political discussions? Isn't that hegemony?

Cricket

irish,
You accuse the US of RACISM? I find that singularly stupid in light of the fact that Ireland has one of the WORST track records for terrorism ANYWHERE in the western world! And the UK treatment of their POWS has me gasping for breath.
Spare me the self righteous drivel.

For the record: In Iraq, in the desert, the US shared the same type of conditions as their POWs. To wit: No A/C. Tents for shelter. Shower facilities were the same, they ate the same meals. They got their mail more regularly than the US soldiers did. The detention facilities were temporary
(a point you have missed in your tirade) and after the detainees were vetted they were released. Not only that, the dentention facilities run by the US military were routinely visited by the Red Cross. Amnesty International and the UN were either packing up and leaving Baghdad because of their facilities being bombed, or their people being targeted.

You scream racist: You have never been to this country and so I will tell you: Racism exists for people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Were racism truly a part of this society, Michael Jackson would NOT have gotten a fair trial. I live in the south. Yes, fifty years ago there were the Jim Crow laws. It was segregated. It isn't now and people of all races live and work and can have the life they only dreamed of in their native countries. That would be India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Somalia, Ethiopia, etc.

The same is true on the so called Left Coast. It doesn't exist except in your little mind as a whipping boy for your own shortcomings.

JannyMaeTSK

irish: "Best you can do? LMFAO!"

Wow! That's your response? What a great debater! Continuing to ignore a direct question, that you obviously have no answer for? I'm surprised you didn't go back to calling me a, "twit!"

Nice rebuttals, Che, Cricket, and FofUSA!

By the way, do they, "drive," planes in Ireland? We, "fly," them here!

Friend of USA

Irish ,

Earlier today, the taliban have shot down an american helicopter in Afghanistan.

They made a video for the world to see.

In it you can see seven americans who survived the crash beeing executed by the Taliban.

Those were prisonners Irish.

They killed them anyway.

Are you appalled at what the Taliban did Irish?

Are you as angry at them as you are at the USA?

I doubt it.

irish

If you don't want me back, stop asking me questions.
If you want me back, I'll answer all the above.
Make up your bloody minds!

Cricket

You are the one who said he/she wasn't coming back. I find it interesting you would deflect FOUSA's question with a tirade of hypocrisy and projection. Why don't you make up YOUR bloody mind?

Friend of USA

Irish,

IRA "clever" comments are more relevant than Nazi comparisons.

Dick Durbin had to apologize for comparing Gitmo to concentration camps.

Such ludicrous comparisons only hurt the reputation of those who make them.

And about those poor souls who were executed in afghanistan, your beating around the bush ( no pun intented ) gives me a pretty good idea of what you think...

Friend of USA

"The troops here and across the world are fighting a global war on terror. The war reached our shores on September 11, 2001. The terrorists who attacked us and the terrorists we face murder in the name of a totalitarian ideology that hates freedom, rejects tolerance and despises all dissent," Bush moaned.

Nothing new here; just the same threadbare platitudes reiterated in the familiar Bush-drawl.

"Our mission in Iraq is clear. We are hunting down the terrorists. We are helping Iraqis build a free nation that is an ally in the war on terror."

"Terrorists"? Even the polls show that most Americans now understand that the insurgency is mainly comprised of Iraqis, so why invoke the terrorists?

"Some of the violence you see in Iraq is being carried out by ruthless killers who are converging on Iraq to fight the advance of peace and freedom... They fight because they know that the survival of their hateful ideology is at stake. They know that as freedom takes root in Iraq, it will inspire millions across the Middle East to claim their liberty as well."

Now the speech begins to take shape and we can see that the expectant nation will not get a straight answer, just more nattering about the scourge of terrorism.

"The terrorists know that the outcome will leave them emboldened or defeated. So they are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to take."

Let's see ... so far, the terrorists, as Bush likes to call the Iraqi resistance, has killed 1,700 American servicemen. Bush's Legions, on the other hand, have killed more than 100,000 Iraqis. Who are the terrorists?

"The terrorists can kill the innocent but they cannot stop the advance of freedom. The only way our enemies can succeed is if we forget the lessons of September 11," Bush crooned.

At this point the camera scanned the audience of glowering servicemen; some of whom looked glazed by the rhetoric and others who still looked hopeful that they would hear something that might clarify why they were headed back to the Iraqi hell-hole. Nothing Bush said would ease their burden.

.."progress is being made. We are improving roads and schools and health clinics and working to improve basic services like sanitation, electricity and water. Together with our allies, we will help the new Iraqi government deliver a better life for its citizens."

"Progress"? By every objective standard, things are worse now then they were under Saddam (which was confirmed by a recent UN report). Power is normally on from 3 to 6 hours a day, hospitals lack essential medicines and supplies, cholera and typhoid have broken out in areas of the capital, there's been an up tick in mysterious cancers (depleted uranium?), sewage and sanitation are worse than before the war, clean water is scarce, and unemployment has skyrocketed to 70%.

The new Iraqi government is "building the institutions of a free society, a society based on freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion and equal justice under law;" the very same "institutions" that are currently under fire at home by the Bush Administration.

"There will be tough moments that test America's resolve. We are fighting against men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons who are capable of any atrocity.. They take innocent lives to create chaos for the cameras. They are trying to shake our will in Iraq just as they tried to shake our will on September 11, 2001."

9-11, 9-11, 9-11, 9-11, 9-11, 9-11, 9-11, and, oh, by the way, did I mention 9-11?

So far, the only people to use "lethal weapons" (WMD) in Iraq have been the US Army. The same rule applies to Bush's charge that the Iraqi resistance is "capable of any atrocity". Perhaps, he should review his notes on Abu Ghraib and Falluja and decide who was really responsible.

"And we fight today because terrorists want to attack our country and kill our citizens!" Bush boomed.

Ah, yes; the old canard of the Islamic hordes swooping across the Great Plains, ravaging our women and wiping out our precious consumer culture. Just 2 weeks ago the LA Times reported that the CIA allowed two of the 9-11 terrorists to enter the country and intentionally withheld the information from the FBI. In other words, the "killing of our citizens" occurred because someone at the highest level of law enforcement was ordered to "stand down" and let the threat materialize.

"And to those watching tonight who are considering a military career, there is no higher calling than service in our Armed Forces."

WHAT?

A shameless plug for the military?

"Be All You Can Be" in 115 degree heat covered in sand fleas ducking mortar rounds?

Wouldn't it have been nice if Bush had honored that "higher calling" and showed up for his service in the Alabama National Guard instead of absconding on a coke-binge to some undisclosed location?

"Well, it has been difficult. And we are prevailing ... May God bless you all."

"Prevailing"? Not according to Senator Chuck Hagel, who admitted just last week that the US was "losing in Iraq" and that "The White House is completely disconnected from reality;" a view that is shared by a larger part of the American public every day. Those fears were not allayed by Bush's predictable 35 minutes of inane chatter.

Bush had his work cut out for him last night. He had to articulate a clear strategy for resolving the current firestorm in Iraq. He failed to do that; relying instead on demagoguery and the frayed imagery of a global war on terror. The American people disserve better.

He produced no plan, no strategy, and no vision; just a continuation of the same trends; the steady erosion of national confidence, a precipitous decline in credibility, and the daily loss of life.

Death by a thousand cuts.

Already, the polls have signaled what we all should have anticipated. Democrats and liberals didn't watch the speech; they've had it with the Dear Leader. All Bush had to do was win over "the faithful"; the Republicans and conservatives who still want to believe in him, but are waiting for a straight answer.

They didn't get one last night.

Friend of USA

I have only read part of the previous comment, but who ever used my name to write it is an ass-hole.

Cricket

It's irish. Larry needs to publish his ISP and email so we can welcome him with open arms.

irish, quit being a jerk. If you want to refute anything we say, have the honesty
(which you seem to think is lacking) to post under your name. And when we do respond to it, we will make sure your name is used.

What a sphincter muscle you are...'not in your name,' right?

Friend of USA

" What a sphincter muscle you are...'not in your name,' right? "

Cricket, that one made me laugh so hard, I actually worried about my own sphincter muscle!!!

Cricket

My roommate in college used to call people who irritated her 'sphincter muscles.'
She also majored in Middle Eastern studies and could swear eloquently in Parsi,
Arabic and some other jihadist dialects.

Friend of USA

Interesting friend, to say the least...

Cricket

Well, there is about three weeks of a quarter where we were bombarded by the ME student crowd whenever we were in the dining facility. I would audit her Russian Lit class while she took skiing and we would get together at dinner and transcribe notes. Her parents were from Denmark and she herself tried to be an Old European, but it didn't work.

She somehow managed to get one of the arafat look white silk tablecloth with red embroidery headdresses...sigh.

Anyway, to hear their conversation about their countries was extremely enlightening. They loved being in the US and the freedom they had, even as males. No one shadowing them, or eavesdropping on them.

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