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DancesWithBullets

Bastards!!

That poor baby.

Liberal Mode

Larry R U sure they just didn't make that story up after shooting up the mother with 50 calarbar revolver bullets? That makes more sense 2 me.

Well, it would seem to me that they got John Edwards to channel the baby. I hear he is fluent in babyspeak. But then again, he hates puppykicking American thugs.

kb

"After all, we have a thing in this country known as a Woman's Right to Choose."

Yes, thank god. Had the woman been allowed to have an abortion she wouldhave never been in the position of having to leave the baby in the dump. More than liely she was a "pro-lifer" who fought off the prochoice folks and decided dumping the newborn was better because, well, at least it wasn't "murdered".

"That baby was placed in the dumpster by a woman who made a conscious choice to put it there."

Yes, and had she had the choice to have an abortion there would be no issue to be discussing now, other than perhaps the glee the right will feel after the baby grows up in underfunded institutions for children which the irhgt fight not to give money to, and eventually ends up becoming a criminal, as many do, and then when he's given the death penalty for the crimes he's committed, they can cheer that the bastard deserves it. The morality just brings tears to the eye.(vomit)

"It probably wasn't an easy choice, but it was her choice"

It's criminal that she should even have to worry about being in this situation.

"just the same and she doesn't need a bunch of neanderthal pro-lifers rooting around in her garbage and invading her privacy."

This much is correct. However, she would appear to be the pro-lifer in this instance, so your attempt at satire falls a little flat.

Kinky Bee

Oh yeah, here in America, if a woman gives birth, she's not even supposed to stick it in a trashcan or dumpster. That's illegal. Instead, she's supposed to take it to a hospital or police station or fire station. I mean, whatever happened to our right to choose where we put our baby after it's born? Heaven forbid that a woman would actually take responsibility for the baby, excuse me, fetus, take it home and care for it. *GAG!* Sorry, a little feminist/Progressyve reaction to the thought of caring for a fetus throughout it's lifespan(another human trampling footprints on our beautiful Gaia). Lyb...err, Progressyves really should rule the Earth, behind our Mooselimb overLords, that is.

camojack

I'm surprised that they would throw away a perfectly good baby like that.

Bush4Ever

Let's see...livestock is raised by Reich-Wing KKKonservative KKKhristians so...why would baby-killing, -murdering, -raping, -torturing, low IQ, drooling, moutbreathing thugs (BUT I SUPPORT THE TROOPS) want to raise a baby?
Has HitlerBurton opened any secret human cloning factories in Iraq?

Fist of Etiquette

WHENEVER I GET PREGNANT THAT MEANS I OWN THAT FETUS OR (GOSH FORBID) CHILD!!!! NO ONE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL ME WHAT TO DO WITH THINGS I OWN!

(Wake up, people. Property rights are among the first rights taken away from us by fascists like certain presidents that I won't name.)

Furthermore, if I look into my crystal ball and see that a "life" that I own is going to be beset by hardship, then I have the right to nip said "life" in the bud. It's in the Constitution, last time I checked. Too bad Bush never bothered to give the Iraqis a constitution in his mad rush to hand out no-bid Haliburton contracts.

csason

"More than liely she was a "pro-lifer" who fought off the prochoice folks and decided dumping the newborn was better because, well, at least it wasn't "murdered"."

At least it wasn't a "pro-researcher" who fought off the PETA folks, for throwing away a mangled, but still wheezing lab rat...

"after the baby grows up in underfunded institutions for children which the irhgt fight not to give money to, and eventually ends up becoming a criminal, as many do, and then when he's given the death penalty for the crimes he's committed,".. So THATS what happens to all the rescued dumpster babies !!!


"It's criminal that she should even have to worry about being in this situation."

and when Hillary is elected, she will make it mandatory that all registered Democrats slay at least one offspring per fiscal year.

What I don't understand is why the troops just didn't leave her there to die. I am just so disgusted with their compassion and kindness. Of course, the orphanages there
in Baghdad more than likely get a once over every month from the US military to make sure that the basic needs of food, clothing, shelter and medical care is being met.

And at our weekly Bible Thumper's meetings, there isn't a month that goes by that some mom or dad gets up and tells the congregation about their son or daughter who is serving in Iraq and has encountered a need for clothing, basic sanitation supplies
as well as funding for procedures that can't be done over there, so kids and their parents are coming here to get treatment. So we all dig deep and help the kids over there, and now we have the troops dumpster diving to save the children.

GOOD ON THEM. Shut the hell up, kb, you racist ignorant pig. While again, irony is lost on you, as is humor, intelligence and satire, the Islamic CULTURE and religion forbids abortion. If she hid her baby in the garbage hoping someone would find her,
then her prayer was answered. I would like to know how they found out so much about her and her siblings since the parents are dead.

Arbiter

You want to know truly sick? This picture says it all about the ineptitude of our troops. How dare they show compassion when back at home they probably go to church!!! Saving children is NOT their job! There JOB is to surrender so we Dems can get back power in the White House!!!

LFC

underfunded orphanages? Oh, you mean like the ones in the former Soviet bloc countries? Never mind the crappy foster care system here simply because a social worker knee jerks to an anonymous call and tries to make a mountain out of a molehill when children are dying in the care of the state...thanks to Billch*t and Shrillery.

(Moslems) never invent anything, never learn anything. Mosques are plenty, churches are plenty, graveyards are plenty, but morals and whiskey are scarce.
--- Mark Twain observing Islam in Valley of Lebanon

I stool this from another sight who stool it from Mark T. but somehow thought it appropriate.

Dave

I have to call a BS on this story because this puts our murderous,slacked jawed,nascarloving,trailerpark trash troops/wehrmacht in a good light.

They most likely raped the fetus to death and then spent the rest of the night betting on dog-fights..

Dangerous Dave

Some folks just don't have a sense of humor.

This isn't about reproductive freedom. We don't know if the mother wanted to have an abortion.

This is about our murdering bloodsucking troops. They're evil! They kill babies! And they're evading taxes by working overseas, just like Halliburton!

But I support them nonetheless.

Nancy Pelosi

Larry,
Several of my colleagues in congress and I were appalled upon reading your shocking report detailing how Iraqi babies are being snatched from the dumpsters by our soldiers in Iraq. After a lengthy discussion with my colleagues, we think we've come up with a proposal to rectify the problem:

The US military will provide special locations throughout Iraq where Iraqi mothers can discard their babies in a public bin using a convenient drop off shoot - where the babies would slide down several hundred feet underground, unreachable to our baby-snatching troops.

Your proposal for a Planned Parenthood of Bagdhad center is a splendid idea! We'll see what we can do about it.

Larry, please rest assured that as long as I'm in charge of congress, Iraq's discarded babies will be protected from the US occupation.

Thanks for your vigilance on the matter.

Progressively yours,
House Speaker - Nancy Pelosi

kb

stinkypee said

"Oh yeah, here in America, if a woman gives birth, she's not even supposed to stick it in a trashcan or dumpster. That's illegal."

Yeah! And that she would ever feel the need to have to do this is a rather sad statement about our society.

"Instead, she's supposed to take it to a hospital or police station or fire station."

Better than a dump.

"I mean, whatever happened to our right to choose where we put our baby after it's born?"

Women CAN choose as far as I'm aware. It may not be legal, but since when has that stopped anything from happening? I mean, if criminals can illegally invade another country and kill hundreds of thousands of it's people, then I'm really not sure what all the fuss is about.

"Heaven forbid that a woman would actually take responsibility for the baby"

Yeah, really. And that 50 cents she has will go a long way in paying for the baby food. I have an idea. ALL of the babies who the foaming at the mouth pro-life hypocrites fight to have born must take the unwanted babies themselves. Any takers? Of course had the girls just had an abortion when before it actually became a baby, you know, those several months when there's nothing but a clump of cells, which in no way, shape, or form, constitutes a human, then we probably wouldn't have this problem. Wouldn't even be an issue.
But the pro-hanger hypocrites and charlatans just won't give it up. It's a "religious" battle for them. You know, more or less like al Qaeda.

"excuse me, fetus, take it home and care for it."

YOU take it home if you want it.

"*GAG!* Sorry, a little feminist/Progressyve reaction to the thought of caring for a fetus throughout it's lifespan(another human trampling footprints on our beautiful Gaia)."

Yeah, well, sorry, but as usual, what you buffoons THINK progressives stand for and what they actually do is off.

"Lyb...err"

Drool....er

"Progressyves"

I like how you folks have been so thoroughly indoctrnated that such a benign term as "progressive" actually becomes something bad. Anyway, I'd rather be a progressive than a regressive, monkey friend.

"really should rule the Earth"

Yes, well, we wouldn't have to worry about dealing with the irrational and regressive right any more and may even reach some sort of civilized state. You know, once the cavemen are back to where they're constantly striving to be.

"behind our Mooselimb overLords, that is."

You folks need "overloards" it would appear. You've already demonstrated your inability to rule yourselves. We see what happens when the social Darwinist lassefaire inbreds are left to fend for themseleves. And I DO mean, themselves.

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comeonjack said:

"I'm surprised that they would throw away a perfectly good baby like that."

Yeah, they could have sold it to a compassionate conservative pro-lifer on EBAY.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~bushwillbegoneforeverthankgoddess said:

"Let's see...livestock is raised by Reich-Wing KKKonservative KKKhristians"

No, it isn't.

"so...why would baby-killing, -murdering, -raping, -torturing, low IQ, drooling, moutbreathing thugs (BUT I SUPPORT THE TROOPS)"

There's nothing the least bit contradictory between thinkng that the actions of some of the troops amount to "rape"(as they have),"toturing"(as they have),"low IQ(as is not an issue),"drooling"(probably some),"moutbreathing"(uhhh...huh?),"thugs"(as of course there are some), have to do with supporting or not supporting the troops? That as dumbass an implication as saying that criiticism of the U.S. makes one "anti-American" or something. Most folks grow out of this stange by about the third grade.

"want to raise a baby?"

Uhhh...They DO. Who do you think are abandoning most of the babies? "Liberals"? Ahahahahahahaha....That's funny.

"Has HitlerBurton opened any secret human cloning factories in Iraq?""

Uhhh....Probably. So why doesn't Bush do at least one right thing before he drools his way out of office and goes down in history as the worst president in the U.S. and bomb these factories? I think this probably wouldn't even be considered a war crime as has been the bombing of Iraq.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ceaseassoonaspossible said:

"More than likely she was a "pro-lifer" who fought off the pro-choice folks and decided dumping the newborn was better because, well, at least it wasn't "murdered"."

"At least it wasn't a "pro-researcher" who fought off the PETA folks, for throwing away a mangled, but still wheezing lab rat..."

Yes, and? What's the problem?

"after the baby grows up in underfunded institutions for children which the right fight not to give money to, and eventually ends up becoming a criminal, as many do, and then when he's given the death penalty for the crimes he's committed,".. So THATS what happens to all the rescued dumpster babies !!!

"It's criminal that she should even have to worry about being in this situation."

"and when Hillary is elected, she will make it mandatory that all registered Democrats slay at least one offspring per fiscal year."

What does slaying babies have to do with abortions? No relationship whatsoever. Slaying babies is more like imposing sanctions on poor countries and killing over 500,000 already born babies, illegally bombing countries which also kills babies both directly and indirectly, and on and on....But then they're Iraqi babies so who cares?

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therescorninmybuttcrack said:

"What I don't understand is why the troops just didn't leave her there to die."

Or have target practice. But then again this would deprive some of them from being able to rape her a few months later, or torture her in a few years for not giving the names of her "insurgent" relatives. She might be a good source. She probably heard a lot of IUD planning when still in her mother's stomach, so we shouldn't let a potential source get away. They should just let John Ashcroft talk to her now. He can understand infantese. I mean, he has to talk to Bush, too.

"I am just so disgusted with their compassion and kindness."

Given it's rarity it probably should make you disgusted. That kindness is just overwhelming when those smart bombs are killing innocent people. The compassion is just beyond words.

"Of course, the orphanages there
in Baghdad more than likely get a once over every month from the US military to make sure that the basic needs of food, clothing, shelter and medical care is being met."

Yeah, right, just after they bomb them. Anyway, what does any of this conversation have to do with oil? I mean, this IS THE ONLY reason we're anywhere near that part of the world. We should be discussing the abandoned baby/oil connection.

"And at our weekly Bible Thumper's meetings"

Well, there you have it. A group of irrational droolers bellowing about what they think is going on without having a clue. What good does one think could possibly come from such a meeting?

"there isn't a month that goes by that some mom or dad gets up and tells the congregation about their son or daughter who is serving in Iraq and has encountered a need for clothing, basic sanitation supplies
as well as funding for procedures that can't be done over there"

Do they also discuss that theirs sons and daughters are fighting for oil, period? I mean, they ARE aware of the reasons for their children being there, yes? As long as they know, and, you know, during these meetings say something like "You know, my son isn't getting nearly the clothes, food, etc..he needs while fighting to make sure the world's second largest oil supply stay's under U.S. control, and it's really pissing me off" then I say more power to them.

"so kids and their parents are coming here to get treatment."

Yes, that's nice. Bomb all of the hospitals and then force the victims to come to you for assistance. And even worse, act as if they should be appreciative.

"So we all dig deep and help the kids over there"

Having a hard enough time dealing with your own kids I'd say. Look at the crime rates in the U.S. Highest in the world.

"and now we have the troops dumpster diving to save the children."

Awww....It's just so touching that they'd be so compassionate to the child of someone whose mother they probably just killed 10 minutes earlier.

"GOOD ON THEM. Shut the hell up, kb, you racist ignorant pig."

Yeah! Good! They saved, maybe, one child. Now, lets focus on the hundreds of thousands who have already dies because of their presence. You know, the ones you folks either don't wantto talk about, deny that even exist, or are just to damn dumb to know about. But given your right-wing "sources" I'm surprised that you've finally even managed to acknowledge that the earth was round. Now, regarding "racist"...Racist against what? Haven't said a word which could be considered racist, inbred. On the contrary, I've done the opposite. YOU folks are the racists. This is a non-issue as well.

"While again, irony is lost on you, as is humor"

There has been little to none that I see. If you think you see something, show me where it is. Where is the evidence of irony or humor?

"intelligence and satire"

And this one I must simply laugh at. Sorry, but not much to say regarding somethingthat doesn't exist.

"the Islamic CULTURE and religion forbids abortion."

And? So? You don't think they have them? Anyway, as usual, with all issues regarding irrational considerations i.e., religion and Santa Claus, one can ALWAYS find to opposite existing somewhere:

"As a matter of fact, Islam encourages procreation when necessary. But it leaves the door open for birth control. Thus we are told by some companions of the Prophet, peace be upon him, that they used a method of birth control during the time of revelation. The Prophet knew about it and yet he never asked them to stop using it. We have to confirm here that it is basic in Islam to believe that having children is not decided by parents but is part and parcel of God's will and sole action. All that people can do is to try their human means leaving the decision to God."
http://www.crescentlife.com/family%20matters/islam_and_abortion.htm

"If she hid her baby in the garbage hoping someone would find her, then her prayer was answered."

Yeah, and were she not trying to keep from getting blown up every day, or out of work because her workplace was blown up, or her husband is dead because he was fighting against either the illegal occupiers, and then those fighting against them, if he wasn't one himself, then perhaps she wouldn't have left it there.
But I'm sure it was just someone who abandoned the baby because they're a lesser human, you know, being Iraqi and all, and just hoped that someone from God's country would find her, convert her to Christianity, much to the pleasure of Cunt Colter, become a little glossy-eyed born-for the first time Christian, get a job at Wal Mart, buy a gun and a Bible from the 50 cent book section, and shoot coons and squirrels while teacher her own children the meaning of love and compassion.

"I would like to know how they found out so much about her and her siblings since the parents are dead."

They probably asked Jerry Falwell's channeler and he read the lines on the bottom of her feet.

By the way, crack, you still haven't answered my questionSSSSS. Read any Chomsky lately?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~madelinealbriter said:

"You want to know truly sick?"

Yes.

"This picture says it all about the ineptitude of our troops."

This isn't a sign of ineptitude. This is one of the good signs. That they would allow themselves to be used in an illegal war is where the ineptitude comes in. But then again many or even most don't even know why they're there in the first place. It's not really fair to call someone inept if you've lied to them about what they're doing, and then when they do something a little off act as if they should have known better. The ineptness comes in when folks in the population are so ignorant as to fall for the lies of a posse of proven criminals, and the history of ALL of the Bush administation is nothing but criminal, and vote them into office. Supporting war crimes is really not something to be proud of, nor something to reduce the "threat of terror".

"How dare they show compassion when back at home they probably go to church!!!"

Yeah, and if they weren't wasting time at church they could be out showing more compassion in the real world. You know, like rebuilding all of the houses they destroyed in someone elses country, or supporting the children of all of the familes which they destroyed, or helping the 4 million refugees return to their homes, or....I can make a list a mile long of you would like.

"Saving children is NOT their job!"

Obviously. Were this a consideration they would never have bombed the country in the first place. Hundreds of thousands have already dies.

"There JOB is to surrender so we Dems can get back power in the White House!!!"

Surrender? Surrdender to who? The populaton of the country? There's no one to surrender to from our side, dumbass. We were the invader. Unless you mean that those invading Iraq should go to Iraqi prisons for illegally invadingtheir country. THEN you might have a case. The U.S. should get the hell out of the country 100%, pay billions of dollars from the damage it's caused, NONE of it coming from Iraq's own oil profits either, which would amount to having the victim pay for their own victimization, and on and on.....

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lunaticfiredchicken

"underfunded orphanages?"

Uhhh....Yes, this is what I mean. This, as well as most other social sevices. Have a problem with the basic facts again?

"Oh, you mean like the ones in the former Soviet bloc countries?"

Whose talking about the "former Soviet bloc countries"? Here goes the false comparison again between the "enlightened west" and the corrupt communist east. The comparison itself demonstrates your ignorance of the subject, so you shouldprobably go back to the kniting blog where I sent you last time. We're discussing the U.S. We're NOT discussing the Soviet Union. Get over it. The Cold War is over. The communist threat which never existed and has already been exposed as not to is well known. The commies aren't coming. Never were. And the ones who were were doing so basically because the U.S. invited them to. Care for a lesson on the Cold War? Thought you would have heard of the Rotten Apple Theory by now.

"Never mind the crappy foster care system here"

Why "never mind"? This is exactly what you SHOULD be minding.

"simply because a social worker knee jerks"

Yes, and yet another example of the depraved indoctrination of the right-wingnut fanatics. Those committed to helping the population and it's unfortunate are the "knee jerks", but those who do everything in their power to make sure they get no help are the "compassionate" folks.

"to an anonymous call and tries to make a mountain out of a molehill when children are dying in the care of the state..."

Sorry, but the cghildren are NOT dying in the "care of the state". They are living because of the care of the state, and the state should have MUCH more money to be able to give MUCH better care. I mean, in a civil society this is how it would work, and does. In a primitive social Darwinist state it wouldbe better to just let the poor and unfortunate, many of whom became such as a direct consequence of the policies the right support, die as nature intends. Screw the poor! Give to the rich! They're the ones who care! I mean, if it weren'T for them I'd be too dumb to know what to do on my own! I need the rich! Give them more! Give them more! They can create more jobs so that the mothers who are going to have unwanted babies can have their maids and butlers take care of them in their penthouses!

"thanks to Billch*t and Shrillery."

Funny that you'd mention the president who the business community has liked more than any other in history. And, as usual, you ignore Clinton's real crimes. His illegal bombing of a medicine plant int eh Sudan, a war crime, isn't much of an issue to you, but his getting a hummer from an overweight aide is a real tragedy. I mean, true, he could have done better than Lewinsky, but.....

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~myheadisstillinmybuttcrack said:

"(Moslems) never invent anything, never learn anything."

And yet another one of the most ignorant statements from a racist right-wingnut camp. Perhaps you should tell most historians and philosophers and scientists that. They'd be quite iinterested in knowing where you got your mis-information. Here, you ignorant ass racist:

"The foundation of this legacy was the astonishing achievements of Muslim scholars, scientists, craftsmen, and traders during the two hundred years or so that are called the Golden Age. During this period, from 750 to 950, the territory of the Muslim Empire encompassed present-day Iran, Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Palestine, North Africa, Spain, and parts of Turkey and drew to Baghdad peoples of all those lands in an unparalleled cross-fertilization of once isolated intellectual traditions."

"Geographical unity, however, was but one factor. Another was the development of Arabic, by the ninth century, into the language of international scholarship as well as the language of the Divine Truth. This was one of the most significant events in the history of ideas."

"As the early scholars in the Islamic world agreed with Aristotle that mathematics was the basis of all science, the scholars of the House of Wisdom first focused on mathematics. Ishaq ibn Hunayn and Thabit ibn Qurrah, for example, prepared a critical edition of Euclid's Elements, while other scholars translated a commentary on Euclid originally written by a mathematician and inventor from Egypt, and still others translated at least eleven major works by Archimedes, including a treatise on the construction of a water clock. Other translations included a book On mathematical theory by Nichomachus of Gerasa, and works by mathematicians like Theodosius of Tripoli, Apollonius Pergacus, Theon, and Menelaus, all basic to the great age of Islamic mathematical speculation that followed.

The first great advance on the inherited mathematical tradition was the introduction of "Arabic" numerals, which actually originated in India and which simplified calculation of all sorts and made possible the development of algebra. Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwaraznli seems to have been the first to explore their use systematically, and wrote the famous Kitab al-Jabr wa-l-Muqabalah, the first book on algebra, a name derived from the second word in his title. One of the basic meanings of jabr in Arabic is "bonesetting," and al-Khwarazmi used it as a graphic description of one of the two operations he uses for the solution of quadratic equations."

"As Thabit's knowledge of Greek and Syriac was unrivaled, he contributed enormously to the translation of Greek scientific writing and also produced some seventy original works - in mathematics, astronomy, astrology, ethics, mechanics, music, medicine, physics, philosophy, and the construction of scientific instruments."
http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/ihame/Sec12.htm

I could go on and on for hours. Amny of the words you use are from Arabic, so perhaps you should find out which ones and boycott using them, inbred.

"Mosques are plenty, churches are plenty, graveyards are plenty, but morals and whiskey are scarce."

How the hell would you know? Especially coming from probablythe least moral country on the planet. There IS whiskey though. Perhaps this explains your dillusional thinking.

"--- Mark Twain observing Islam in Valley of Lebanon"

Mark Twain was great in many ways, especially in his criticisms of the U.S. foreign policies. However, he was ignorant in may others, as are we all.

"I stool this from another sight who stool it from Mark T. but somehow thought it appropriate."

Yeah, well, you probably shuldn't have thought at all. This seems to keep getting you in trouble. I have a really radical and "liberal" idea. Rather than anti-Islam shopping for your "data", why not try and look at those scholars, and there are MANY, who point outthe positive aspects. You know, the ones that your racist sources would never dream of referring to. Perhaps the other half of your brain would start to develop a little. Do you think that the "Kill the Fags" "reverand" represent all, or even a good portion of Christians? Okay, well, that wasn't really a good example because he probably sort of does on a "deeper" level, but you understand the point(probably not).

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davenpoot said:

"I have to call a BS on this story because this puts our murderous,slacked jawed,nascarloving,trailerpark trash troops/wehrmacht in a good light."

Not really.

"They most likely raped the fetus to death and then spent the rest of the night betting on dog-fights."

Not all of them. Only the ones who voted for Bush.

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hardlydangerousedave said:

"Some folks just don't have a sense of humor."

Some folks aren't funny.

"This isn't about reproductive freedom. We don't know if the mother wanted to have an abortion."

Of course not.

"This is about our murdering bloodsucking troops."

Saving one child after killing thousands is supposed to sort of compensate or make the troops appear less bloodsucking? How cynically depraved could one person be? Somehow I doubt the Iraqis, regardless of which side their on, would appreciate the supposed humor.

"They're evil!"

"Evil" has nothing to do with it. Ignorance might. And I hardly think that it would be going too far to claim that there are, in fact, some ignorant troops.

"They kill babies!"

This isn't even an issue. They DO kill babies. Hundreds of thousands of we start back with the criminal sanctions which were followed by the illegal war. Do you think that killing 20 babies from a smart bomb is any different than killing them from malnutrition, with guns, etc...? Would you care for a list of the Iraqi dead? You know, the ones the non-existent liberal media never talk about?

"And they're evading taxes by working overseas, just like Halliburton!"

Halliburton is making BIG bucks, as well as the other usual war profiteers. THESE are the real criminals.

"But I support them nonetheless."

Yeah, most every lefty I know supports the troops, too. The notion that the left doesn't is yet another ignorant-ass notion of right-wing propaganda devised by illiterates and for illiterates.

Yawn. Here we go again with the Lancet study. And I am so glad your child is out of the country, where you can apologize all to hell about none of this happening in your name. And no, the US crime rates are based on population, dickhead. Per capita, too, if you must know. Of course, none of our children are wearing kevlar to school like they are in the UK...kevlar being a well known body armor and able to deflect knife cuts.

Oh. And for your information, rectal-cranial man, many people DO offer to adopt them, but the state (thanks to Clinton) prefers to put them in foster care so that the social agencies can get their bounty money and idiot people can abuse them to death.
The state doesn't want any right wingers to raise these children. They might actually not engage in pre-marital sex, need welfare or other social services, which would
then nullify their existence. Remember, government is there to perpetuate itself, and if businessmen loved Clinton, that is news to me, unless of course, regulating welfare
and other services caused the private sector to bid on contracts. Do your economics homework. I have already told you what Chomsky I have read, along with Howard Zinn's little fantasies.

stoorat

"What does slaying babies have to do with abortions? No relationship whatsoever."

Yeah, c'mon people. We all know that it's nothing but a clump of tumorous tissue until delivery is complete. T minus 5 minutes to birth=not a baby. T minus 30 seconds to birth=not a baby. Head, shoulders, knees, but not toes completely out of the womb=not a freakin' baby. She should have just strangled It while It still had one foot in, I suppose.

kb

crackedcrack said:

"Yawn."

Yeah, go back and pee your bed again.

"Here we go again with the Lancet study."

I didn't quote any Lancet study.

"And I am so glad your child is out of the country"

Yeah, I don'T have to worry about him being shot at school, being molested by some perverted religious leader, or inadvertently hear some dumbass thing coming out of your mouth and mistaking it for having to do with the real world, not that he'd be THAT dumb.

"where you can apologize all to hell about none of this happening in your name."

What is not happening in my name?

"And no, the US crime rates are based on population, dickhead."

And? Usually crime rates ARE based on the population, dickerhead, not shoe size.

"Per capita, too, if you must know."

And? Doesn't conflict with anything I've put forth.

"Of course, none of our children are wearing kevlar to school like they are in the UK...kevlar being a well known body armor and able to deflect knife cuts."

But more importantly bullets. You know, except for the "Cop Killer" bullets the gun nuts are always trying to fight to have stay legal. Can&'T wait till we can have our own bazookas. That'll be cool. I'm starting to feel like a real man already.

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whyismybuttcrackbloodyafterIgetaresponsefromkbeverytimesaid:


"Oh. And for your information"

Should have stopped here when you were already off in the wrong direction.

"rectal-cranial man"

I'd be embarrassed to think that a rectal-cranial man was repeatedly making me look like an inbred rectal-itch cranial man. But then again, you're inbred, so you don't notice.

"many people DO offer to adopt them"

Great! Then they can have them. Nothing wrong with adoption.

"but the state (thanks to Clinton) prefers to put them in foster care so that the social agencies"

Well, I guess given the choice of putting them in a rational foster care where rational people work, or allowing them to suffer under the sort of punishment they'd have to endure uder your "protection" and "education", perhaps foster care isn't so bad. But then again, dumping them back out on the street would probably be better than the option of having some inbred "intelligent design" wacko indoctrinate them with fairy tales.

"can get their bounty money and idiot people can abuse them to death."

Yeah, foster care families aare known for their hatred of children. I mean, that'S really why they do it. And then there are those damn social workers who studied all of those years just to get their crack at making the childrens lives worse. It's like everything else. The more they try to do good, the more they prove they hate everything. Damn liberals!

"The state doesn't want any right wingers to raise these children."

Uhhh....I'm not sure I'd even give the state credit for being THIS intelligent. I mean, if the choices were between Angelina Joli and Brad Pitt adopting some, or some glazy-eyed ChristianMansonalQaedaesque born-again, I'd have to go for the first. Putting them on the street would be a close second. And then just above burning them alive I'd rock-paper-scissors to decide.

"They might actually not engage in pre-marital sex"

Post marital either. Anyway, if they were out doing things like shooting guns, they wouldn't be distracted by such deviation from nature as having sex. This is why I can'T understand how you became inbred. I would have thought you would have had lots of guns and Bibles around to keep your mind focused on good things like irrational religious beliefs and killing tools.

"need welfare or other social services"

Given the almost invisible the stingiest country in the world gives, I hardly think this is ta problem.

"which would then nullify their existence."

The only thing which would probably nullify their existence is being raised in some inbred Mormon household, Jerry Farewell household, or just about any other household where irrational beliefs are taken seriously. May as well drop them off at Disney Land.

"Remember, government is there to perpetuate itself"

Actually, it's primarily there to perpetuate itself FOR the self-annointed leaders and business. This is how it was designed from the beginning.

"and if businessmen loved Clinton, that is news to me"

Well, it doesn't surprise me. Just about every business journal in the country couldn't get enough of him. If even the Wall Street Journal recognizes it, why can't you? Why weren't your propagandists telling you even the most basic facts:

"The business community is naturally pleased by Clinton's firmness in defending the "bottom line," and understands well just how far that line reaches. A lead Wall Street Journal article on November 19 was headed: "Unlikely Allies: President Is Wooing, And Mostly Pleasing, Big-Business Leaders."
http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/articles/z9401-clinton-update.html

"unless of course, regulating welfare
and other services caused the private sector to bid on contracts."

Given that most of the welfare IS going to the corporate welfare already, I'm not sure there's much to worry about.

"Do your economics homework."

projection

"I have already told you what Chomsky I have read"

Yeah, you've said this twice now. So, tell me what you've read. I can tell you I've been to the moon, too, but it hardlymakes it so. So, answer the damn simple question. What have you read?

"along with Howard Zinn's little fantasies."

Okay, then WHAT fantasies are you drooling on about? You have as of yet demonstrated thatyou know the first thing about their positions, so you're still in exactly zerro position to even know what you're disagreeing with, inbred. First things first.

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"What does slaying babies have to do with abortions? No relationship whatsoever."

"Yeah, c'mon people."

Yeah!

"We all know that it's nothing but a clump of tumorous tissue until delivery is complete."

Really? I don't know this. No one from the left I know thinks this. This is more right-wing tabloid propaganda which has little or no support. There are probably 10 people in the entire country who think this, most of whom are shunned by the left as well. But it's typical right-wing propaganda to take these ten and try and demonstrate that therefore anyone left of Hitler thinks the same way. Sorry, but this is straw and nothing but. Read the Chomsky stuff yet?

"T minus 5 minutes to birth=not a baby."

Straw.

"T minus 30 seconds to birth=not a baby."

Straw.

"Head, shoulders, knees, but not toes completely out of the womb=not a freakin' baby."

Virutally no one does abortions this late. Exaggeration and straw.

"She should have just strangled It while It still had one foot in, I suppose."

Or waited until it grew up and sent it to Iraq to kill hundreds of thousands of worthless brown babies.

When the cluster of cells still only exists as a cluster of cells, there IS NO baby. There's nothing remotely existing which could be defined as human. Nothing. Perhaps it has the potential of becoming that at some point, but before a certain point, sorry, nothing but cells. Now, if you wish to try and say that the potential is the same thing as a human, you'd better be careful, too. We can already take the DNA from skin cells or anything else and demonstrate that the fundamentals of life are contained therein. We can probably already grow these cells into whatever object they were taken from. Does this mean that every time we wash our hands and lose the skin cells, which could potentially be made into humans, that we're committing genocide? Perhaps?

A Defense of Abortion:

"You wake up in the morning and find yourself back-to-back in bed with an unconscious violinist. A famous unconscious violinist. He has been found to have a fatal kidney ailment and the Society of Music Lovers has canvassed all the available medical records and found that you alone have the right blood type to help. They have therefore kidnapped you and last night the violinist's circulatory system was plugged into yours, so that your kidneys can be used to extract poisons from his blood as well as your own [If he is unplugged from you now, he will die; but in nine months] he will have recovered from his ailment and can safely be unplugged from you.
The scenario is meant to be analogous to at least some cases of pregnancy and is often taken (and is taken by Thomson herself) to support the moral permissibility of induced abortion."

I know there are arguments against this(Dworkin), but I think it raises some good questions. It's a complex issue there's no doubt, but we know one thing for sure, if abortions are made illegal they will continue and like before many women will die as a result, along with the pregnancy anyway. Let's have a few thought experiments. I was wondering if the conscious choice to abort a baby was basically murder, then would the accidentally death of the fetus, for whatever reason, be manslaughter? You know, the mother drinks a cup of coffee in which the caffine causes miscarriage or something? And if this happens will "pro-lifers" try and write it off as something less?


Kinky Bee

/moonbat mode off

"ALL of the babies who the foaming at the mouth pro-life hypocrites fight to have born must take the unwanted babies themselves. Any takers?"

You overstepped your bounds on this one, Asshole. I would gladly take any one of those babies, and raise it and love it as my own. My husband I aren't able to have kids. When I had my Hysterectomy at age 38, after not being able to conceive, I can reassure you, it was very difficult for me. I may not have ever been pregnant, had a miscarriage or lost a baby, but believe I grieved for the loss of the children we would never have. So, go screw yourself, and take your Commie Lib views elsewhere. We're sick to death of you, and your overuse and abuse of the bandwidth here. You're a sicko who hates children and anything that's positive or good. Stinking elistist prick!

/moonbat mode on

Kinky Bee

"but believe I grieved"

Should read: "but believe me, I grieved"

Stupid Bush. He stole my "me".

stoorat

"Really? I don't know this. No one from the left I know thinks this....There are probably 10 people in the entire country who think this, most of whom are shunned by the left as well. But it's typical right-wing propaganda to take these ten and try and demonstrate that therefore anyone left of Hitler thinks the same way."

Tsk tsk, kb. I was just following the example you set here:

"Do you think that the "Kill the Fags" "reverand" represent all, or even a good portion of Christians? Okay, well, that wasn't really a good example because he probably sort of does on a "deeper" level...

If you get to generalize so egregiously, then why can't I?

"Read the Chomsky stuff yet?"

Haven't had a chance to dig in to it yet, but I have watched several video clips featuring him in interviews and the like.

"When the cluster of cells still only exists as a cluster of cells, there IS NO baby. There's nothing remotely existing which could be defined as human. Nothing. Perhaps it has the potential of becoming that at some point, but before a certain point, sorry, nothing but cells.

Really. Just out of curiosity, at what point do you believe that it suddenly becomes a baby? Is it only when it looks like a baby? Does form define it? Or is it only when it can make baby sounds? Maybe when it can drive a car? Or vote? Where's that magical threshold?

"We can probably already grow these cells into whatever object they were taken from."

That's news to me. So we can take heart cells and grow a new heart? Or, taken to it's logical limit, take any cells from a human and grow a new human? Why all the fuss over embryonic stem cells then?

"Does this mean that every time we wash our hands and lose the skin cells, which could potentially be made into humans, that we're committing genocide?"

You've been watching too much Star Trek.

"It's a complex issue there's no doubt..."

One this point I'll cautiously agree... However, if a life hangs in the balance, I'll choose to err on the side of caution, respecting the inherent rights of the unborn child as much as the mother's. I just don't feel that her convenience trumps the baby's right to live.

"...but we know one thing for sure, if abortions are made illegal they will continue..."

Ah, brilliant. And since we know that laws which make theft, murder, etc. illegal don't stop people from committing those crimes, the logical conclusion is that we should do away with those laws as well, no? Just keep lowering our standards until everyone is in compliance with the law? The fact that people will commit a crime isn't grounds for legalizing that crime.

"Let's have a few thought experiments."

Sure, let's do!

"I was wondering if the conscious choice to abort a baby was basically murder, then would the accidentally death of the fetus, for whatever reason, be manslaughter? You know, the mother drinks a cup of coffee in which the caffine causes miscarriage or something? And if this happens will "pro-lifers" try and write it off as something less?"

An excellent example! Are you familiar with fetal alcohol syndrome? FAS occurs when the mother drinks alcohol while pregnant, causing permanent defects in the offspring. It can stunt fetal growth or weight, create distinctive facial stigmata, damage neurons and brain structures, and cause other physical, mental, or behavioral problems. Mothers who give birth to children with FAS are in for a variety of charges, some of which carry a heavy penalty. Prenatal child abuse, criminal neglect, etc. Women have also gone to prison for using other substances such as cocaine while pregnant, causing birth defects in their offspring.

If the mother drinks, smokes, uses meth, cocaine, goes on roller-coasters, eats junk food, and just generally abuses her body (it's hers to abuse, after all) to such a degree that the baby is born with atrial/ventricular septal defects, FAS, brain damage, and all the other possible maladies that can be inflicted on an unborn child by the mother...do you think the mother should be held responsible? After all, it wasn't a life while still in the womb, right? It was just a conglomerations of cells, a wad of tissue, no more (or less) alive than her appendix or left nostril. It becomes a life upon leaving the mother's body, after which she is responsible for how she treats it, right?

One more question: If I intentionally kill a pregnant woman, guess how many charges of murder I'm going to be facing? I'll give you a hint: the answer isn't "1." Shucks, I'm feeling generous, so I'll give you another hint: "Scott Peterson."

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